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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE with passion
We used the firewall-1 product in a lab environment at MentorTech. It was hands on the entire week. (they need to incorporate Nokia boxen in classes) I definitely learned a lot in those classes, and not your typical "paper se" type knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Schindler" <[email protected]> To: "Zeltser, Roman" <[email protected]>; "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 2:00 PM Subject: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE with passion > > I'll make you a deal. I'll train you for free Roman. You will pass the > tests and leave able to implement everything I teach you. How about that? > > The arguments you are making are invalid. Don't put that Microsoft CTEC > stigma on everyone. I teach what you need to pass the test and give you > everything you need to actually implement everything we talk about. (by the > way, so do many Microsoft trainers. Didn't mean to harsh on you) > > I personally resent being put in a group of training companies like SMU, who > just suck your money out of you and give a rats ass about you after your > done. I would imagine many of my peers would feel similarly. > > If someone charges you $1000 for a week of training and you leave feeling > like you were just lectured for 5 straight days, you may have paid for > exactly what you got. When I charge $5000 for a 1 week class, you better > believe that when people leave they are extremely happy or I am not going to > be teaching these classes very long. > > And using a mailing list which is targeted to EVERYONE who owns a particular > product for advertising and or certrification discussion is brilliant. This > is a free form discussion forum. We are not kids but industry professionals > that need access to all of the important bits of data that influences our > success. > > P.S. If you take me up on my offer. All I ask is for a public apology to > everyone that puts their heart and soul into making training that makes your > lives better. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Zeltser, Roman" <[email protected]> > To: "Scott Schindler" <[email protected]>; "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:36 AM > Subject: RE: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > I see that this list becomes the same crowded place for certification > > hypes and advertisement. > > Entire computer training industry misleads people regarding necessity > > to > > get a certification BEFORE getting hands-on experience. Why not, it easy > > to > > train folks for 2-3 days and get a nice margin. It's easy to sell books > > that > > prepare for the tests, it's easy to sell the software that prepares for > > the > > tests... All they want is your money ASAP. Everyone knows that this > > kind of > > training that prepares for the tests (not for the job!) is ineffective > > for > > job search. Be honest, what can you > > memorize/understand/repeat/try/troubleshoot for 2-3 days of a training? > > Ask yourself, if you were an employer, who would you look for: > > experienced > > information security engineer (not certified) or inexperienced but > > certified "chicken". That's all. > > I personally would prefer to see this list dedicated to technical > > problems, but not to the certification soup. There are many sites that > > are > > dedicated to this. > > Just my 2 cents. > > > > ========================================================= > > Best, > > > > Roman M. Zeltser > > RS Information Systems, Inc. > >> > NCC, DNE > > *** Securing your retirement money from hackers.*** > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Scott Schindler [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:06 PM > > To: Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail) > > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > > > > > In the past, Check Point has had issues with their CCSA test, however it > > is > > much better now and getting better everyday. The CCSE 2000 test however > > is > > very difficult. After teaching a class, approximately 90% of my > > students > > pass the CCSA and only 75% the CCSE. But these are statistics for > > people > > with NO experience. If you have experience at the end of the class you > > will > > pass the CCSA and probably have a 90% success rate with the CCSE. > > > > The only problems I have with people failing the CCSA are those that > > have > > English as a second language as even those of us who speak English often > > have problems comprehending the questions. > > > > But if you take Enstar's class, the tests are included and if you fail, > > we'll pay for you to take them again. I had 8 people in my last class > > who > > had never seen Check Point and all of them passed the CCSA and 6 of them > > passed the CCSE. Doesn't do much necessarily for the value of the test, > > but > > certification means something different to everyone, and it means > > success to > > a paying student! > > > > Scott Schindler > > www.enstar.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]>; "Omar Dedovic" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:02 PM > > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > > > > > > > I disagree that the books are "very good". > > > They are full of mistakes....so many, that you would consider the > > price > > > somewhat high. > > > > > > However, the fact that you had to pull your pen out and mark up the > > doc > > > so much > > > during the class probably helped to memorize some of the material. > > > > > > CCSA is a marketing quiz primarily. (not massively difficult from an > > > engineers standpoint) > > > CCSE was much harder. Lots of encryption, nat, aaa, guts of the FW1 > > > product. > > > From what I heard, most people do not pass without CCSA+6mo. > > experience > > > with the product. > > > > > > I took my classes and exams and MentorTech (they are good) and from > > what > > > I heard > > > several CCIE walked into this exam and failed. We had one CCIE in my > > > class and he > > > passed. > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: <[email protected]> > > > To: "Omar Dedovic" <[email protected]> > > > Cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > > > <[email protected]> > > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:26 AM > > > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just took both tests for Checkpoint 2000. The books they give are > > > very good. > > > > Also there is one > > > > book out on Firewall-1. It was a good overview of the product. Also > > > > http://www.boson.com has > > > > pretty good practice tests that are cheap. There is a key gen for it > > > on the > > > > internet somewhere. The > > > > new CCSE test is pretty tough, so study hard. > > > > CP > > > > > > > > > > > > |--------+-----------------------> > > > > | | Omar Dedovic | > > > > | | <[email protected]> | > > > > | | | > > > > | | 10/02/2000 | > > > > | | 09:55 AM | > > > > | | | > > > > |--------+-----------------------> > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----| > > > > | > > > | > > > > | To: "Thornton, Richard" > > > <[email protected]> | > > > > | cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > > > | > > > > | <[email protected]>, (bcc: Chris > > > | > > > > | Prewitt/Whittman-Hart LP) > > > | > > > > | Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > | > > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -----| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well when i took CCSA & CCSE it was enough > > > > to read through the books u get at the course. > > > > > > > > If i remeber correctly it was 2 books Sec.Admin and Sec.Eng. > > > > Its also good if u have any "live experience" with the product. > > > > > > > > I can only say 1 thing, DONT underestimate the little tiny details > > > > of the f.e Logviewer (Buttons, menu's etc..). > > > > > > > > > > > > Gl > > > > od > > > > > > > > > > > > "Thornton, Richard" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > > > a huge shout out to all you very helpful people, your information > > is > > > both > > > > > quick and accurate, i have never seen a list with so many > > competent > > > members > > > > > who are willing to take the time to help newbies out > > > > > > > > > > is there anyone out there who has recently sat the CP2000 CCSA & > > > CCSE exams > > > > > I will be booking these exams in a few months after I do the CP > > week > > > course > > > > > at the end of this month. > > > > > > > > > > what I am looking for is good resources giving me guidelines on > > what > > > I need > > > > > to know so i can read up and experiment with areas that i will > > > encounter in > > > > > the exam. > > > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > > > > > richard thornton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================== > > > ======== > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the > > instructions > > > at > > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > > > > ======================================================================== > > > ======== > > > > > > ======================================================================== > > ==== > > ==== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions > > at > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > ======================================================================== > > ==== > > ==== > > > ================================================================================ > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > ================================================================================ > ================================================================================ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html ================================================================================
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