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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] RE: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE
I see that this list becomes the same crowded place for certification hypes and advertisement. Entire computer training industry misleads people regarding necessity to get a certification BEFORE getting hands-on experience. Why not, it easy to train folks for 2-3 days and get a nice margin. It's easy to sell books that prepare for the tests, it's easy to sell the software that prepares for the tests... All they want is your money ASAP. Everyone knows that this kind of training that prepares for the tests (not for the job!) is ineffective for job search. Be honest, what can you memorize/understand/repeat/try/troubleshoot for 2-3 days of a training? Ask yourself, if you were an employer, who would you look for: experienced information security engineer (not certified) or inexperienced but certified "chicken". That's all. I personally would prefer to see this list dedicated to technical problems, but not to the certification soup. There are many sites that are dedicated to this. Just my 2 cents. ========================================================= Best, Roman M. Zeltser RS Information Systems, Inc.NCC, DNE *** Securing your retirement money from hackers.*** -----Original Message----- From: Scott Schindler [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:06 PM To: Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE In the past, Check Point has had issues with their CCSA test, however it is much better now and getting better everyday. The CCSE 2000 test however is very difficult. After teaching a class, approximately 90% of my students pass the CCSA and only 75% the CCSE. But these are statistics for people with NO experience. If you have experience at the end of the class you will pass the CCSA and probably have a 90% success rate with the CCSE. The only problems I have with people failing the CCSA are those that have English as a second language as even those of us who speak English often have problems comprehending the questions. But if you take Enstar's class, the tests are included and if you fail, we'll pay for you to take them again. I had 8 people in my last class who had never seen Check Point and all of them passed the CCSA and 6 of them passed the CCSE. Doesn't do much necessarily for the value of the test, but certification means something different to everyone, and it means success to a paying student! Scott Schindler www.enstar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; "Omar Dedovic" <[email protected]> Cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > I disagree that the books are "very good". > They are full of mistakes....so many, that you would consider the price > somewhat high. > > However, the fact that you had to pull your pen out and mark up the doc > so much > during the class probably helped to memorize some of the material. > > CCSA is a marketing quiz primarily. (not massively difficult from an > engineers standpoint) > CCSE was much harder. Lots of encryption, nat, aaa, guts of the FW1 > product. > From what I heard, most people do not pass without CCSA+6mo. experience > with the product. > > I took my classes and exams and MentorTech (they are good) and from what > I heard > several CCIE walked into this exam and failed. We had one CCIE in my > class and he > passed. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: "Omar Dedovic" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > > > > > I just took both tests for Checkpoint 2000. The books they give are > very good. > > Also there is one > > book out on Firewall-1. It was a good overview of the product. Also > > http://www.boson.com has > > pretty good practice tests that are cheap. There is a key gen for it > on the > > internet somewhere. The > > new CCSE test is pretty tough, so study hard. > > CP > > > > > > |--------+-----------------------> > > | | Omar Dedovic | > > | | <[email protected]> | > > | | | > > | | 10/02/2000 | > > | | 09:55 AM | > > | | | > > |--------+-----------------------> > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----| > > | > | > > | To: "Thornton, Richard" > <[email protected]> | > > | cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > | > > | <[email protected]>, (bcc: Chris > | > > | Prewitt/Whittman-Hart LP) > | > > | Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > | > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > -----| > > > > > > > > > > > > Well when i took CCSA & CCSE it was enough > > to read through the books u get at the course. > > > > If i remeber correctly it was 2 books Sec.Admin and Sec.Eng. > > Its also good if u have any "live experience" with the product. > > > > I can only say 1 thing, DONT underestimate the little tiny details > > of the f.e Logviewer (Buttons, menu's etc..). > > > > > > Gl > > od > > > > > > "Thornton, Richard" wrote: > > > > > > group > > > > > > a huge shout out to all you very helpful people, your information is > both > > > quick and accurate, i have never seen a list with so many competent > members > > > who are willing to take the time to help newbies out > > > > > > is there anyone out there who has recently sat the CP2000 CCSA & > CCSE exams > > > I will be booking these exams in a few months after I do the CP week > course > > > at the end of this month. > > > > > > what I am looking for is good resources giving me guidelines on what > I need > > > to know so i can read up and experiment with areas that i will > encounter in > > > the exam. > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > richard thornton > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================== > ======== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions > at > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > ======================================================================== > ======== ============================================================================ ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html ============================================================================ ==== ================================================================================ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html ================================================================================
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