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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] [FW1] CCSA & CCSE with passion
I'll make you a deal. I'll train you for free Roman. You will pass the tests and leave able to implement everything I teach you. How about that? The arguments you are making are invalid. Don't put that Microsoft CTEC stigma on everyone. I teach what you need to pass the test and give you everything you need to actually implement everything we talk about. (by the way, so do many Microsoft trainers. Didn't mean to harsh on you) I personally resent being put in a group of training companies like SMU, who just suck your money out of you and give a rats ass about you after your done. I would imagine many of my peers would feel similarly. If someone charges you $1000 for a week of training and you leave feeling like you were just lectured for 5 straight days, you may have paid for exactly what you got. When I charge $5000 for a 1 week class, you better believe that when people leave they are extremely happy or I am not going to be teaching these classes very long. And using a mailing list which is targeted to EVERYONE who owns a particular product for advertising and or certrification discussion is brilliant. This is a free form discussion forum. We are not kids but industry professionals that need access to all of the important bits of data that influences our success. P.S. If you take me up on my offer. All I ask is for a public apology to everyone that puts their heart and soul into making training that makes your lives better. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Zeltser, Roman" <[email protected]> To: "Scott Schindler" <[email protected]>; "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2000 11:36 AM Subject: RE: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > I see that this list becomes the same crowded place for certification > hypes and advertisement. > Entire computer training industry misleads people regarding necessity > to > get a certification BEFORE getting hands-on experience. Why not, it easy > to > train folks for 2-3 days and get a nice margin. It's easy to sell books > that > prepare for the tests, it's easy to sell the software that prepares for > the > tests... All they want is your money ASAP. Everyone knows that this > kind of > training that prepares for the tests (not for the job!) is ineffective > for > job search. Be honest, what can you > memorize/understand/repeat/try/troubleshoot for 2-3 days of a training? > Ask yourself, if you were an employer, who would you look for: > experienced > information security engineer (not certified) or inexperienced but > certified "chicken". That's all. > I personally would prefer to see this list dedicated to technical > problems, but not to the certification soup. There are many sites that > are > dedicated to this. > Just my 2 cents. > > ========================================================= > Best, > > Roman M. Zeltser > RS Information Systems, Inc. >> NCC, DNE > *** Securing your retirement money from hackers.*** > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Schindler [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 5:06 PM > To: Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > In the past, Check Point has had issues with their CCSA test, however it > is > much better now and getting better everyday. The CCSE 2000 test however > is > very difficult. After teaching a class, approximately 90% of my > students > pass the CCSA and only 75% the CCSE. But these are statistics for > people > with NO experience. If you have experience at the end of the class you > will > pass the CCSA and probably have a 90% success rate with the CCSE. > > The only problems I have with people failing the CCSA are those that > have > English as a second language as even those of us who speak English often > have problems comprehending the questions. > > But if you take Enstar's class, the tests are included and if you fail, > we'll pay for you to take them again. I had 8 people in my last class > who > had never seen Check Point and all of them passed the CCSA and 6 of them > passed the CCSE. Doesn't do much necessarily for the value of the test, > but > certification means something different to everyone, and it means > success to > a paying student! > > Scott Schindler > www.enstar.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; "Omar Dedovic" <[email protected]> > Cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 3:02 PM > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > > > I disagree that the books are "very good". > > They are full of mistakes....so many, that you would consider the > price > > somewhat high. > > > > However, the fact that you had to pull your pen out and mark up the > doc > > so much > > during the class probably helped to memorize some of the material. > > > > CCSA is a marketing quiz primarily. (not massively difficult from an > > engineers standpoint) > > CCSE was much harder. Lots of encryption, nat, aaa, guts of the FW1 > > product. > > From what I heard, most people do not pass without CCSA+6mo. > experience > > with the product. > > > > I took my classes and exams and MentorTech (they are good) and from > what > > I heard > > several CCIE walked into this exam and failed. We had one CCIE in my > > class and he > > passed. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: "Omar Dedovic" <[email protected]> > > Cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > > <[email protected]> > > Sent: Monday, October 02, 2000 10:26 AM > > Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just took both tests for Checkpoint 2000. The books they give are > > very good. > > > Also there is one > > > book out on Firewall-1. It was a good overview of the product. Also > > > http://www.boson.com has > > > pretty good practice tests that are cheap. There is a key gen for it > > on the > > > internet somewhere. The > > > new CCSE test is pretty tough, so study hard. > > > CP > > > > > > > > > |--------+-----------------------> > > > | | Omar Dedovic | > > > | | <[email protected]> | > > > | | | > > > | | 10/02/2000 | > > > | | 09:55 AM | > > > | | | > > > |--------+-----------------------> > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----| > > > | > > | > > > | To: "Thornton, Richard" > > <[email protected]> | > > > | cc: "Firewall-1 Mailing List (E-mail)" > > | > > > | <[email protected]>, (bcc: Chris > > | > > > | Prewitt/Whittman-Hart LP) > > | > > > | Subject: Re: [FW1] CCSA & CCSE > > | > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----| > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well when i took CCSA & CCSE it was enough > > > to read through the books u get at the course. > > > > > > If i remeber correctly it was 2 books Sec.Admin and Sec.Eng. > > > Its also good if u have any "live experience" with the product. > > > > > > I can only say 1 thing, DONT underestimate the little tiny details > > > of the f.e Logviewer (Buttons, menu's etc..). > > > > > > > > > Gl > > > od > > > > > > > > > "Thornton, Richard" wrote: > > > > > > > > group > > > > > > > > a huge shout out to all you very helpful people, your information > is > > both > > > > quick and accurate, i have never seen a list with so many > competent > > members > > > > who are willing to take the time to help newbies out > > > > > > > > is there anyone out there who has recently sat the CP2000 CCSA & > > CCSE exams > > > > I will be booking these exams in a few months after I do the CP > week > > course > > > > at the end of this month. > > > > > > > > what I am looking for is good resources giving me guidelines on > what > > I need > > > > to know so i can read up and experiment with areas that i will > > encounter in > > > > the exam. > > > > > > > > many thanks > > > > > > > > richard thornton > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ======================================================================== > > ======== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the > instructions > > at > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > > ======================================================================== > > ======== > > > ======================================================================== > ==== > ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions > at > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > ======================================================================== > ==== > ==== ================================================================================ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html ================================================================================
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