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Re: [FW-1] Filtering incoming SMTP "from" your domain via SS



Ok, so I *do* have a clue. :)

If your concern is a 'technical' measure to eliminate spam
(volume/annoyance), locking this down won't do you much good, again because
most spam isn't going to look like this anyway.

*However*, if your concern is social engineering-- i.e., someone outside
forging a message from the president to get someone inside to take a
specific action-- well, now, that's a darned good reason to take the extra
precaution you describe.  Never looked at it that way before but it's a good
technique to use.

-----Original Message-----
From: Coleman, Clayton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 12:39 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FW-1] Filtering incoming SMTP "from" your domain via SS


You were correct in saying we want to prevent spammers from dumping things
into our net and have them appear to be from our net.  In one example:

Let's say someone sitting on their home dialup does this to our Internet
SMTP server:
MAIL FROM: [email protected]
RCPT TO: [email protected]
DATA
Hey baby, let's hook up.
.

We don't want that to happen...  We would want the firewall to say "hey,
since foxboro.com is internal, it can't be the source!"

I'm trying to determine what things could go wrong and could the security
service have a problem doing it...

Clayton
-----Original Message-----
From: Russell Washington [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 1:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FW-1] Filtering incoming SMTP "from" your domain via SS


I'm a little confused.  If someone is sending legitimate email to
[email protected], you're accepting it.  If the 'from' email address is
forged to be [email protected], but the to address is still
[email protected], there is a legitimate recipient for the message on your
network.

I'm trying to determine the benefit to putting in the no-forge restriction.
Is the idea to prevent spammers from dumping things into your net?  If so,
it's an interesting idea, but the spam I get rarely forges the from address
as being specifically from *my* domain.

On its face it sounds like added complexity with minimal benefit.  Could you
perhaps clarify the intended goal?
-----Original Message-----
From: Coleman, Clayton [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, June 04, 2002 8:20 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FW-1] Filtering incoming SMTP "from" your domain via SS


Here's the scenario:  We block all incoming mail not destined for our mail
domains (to block relay) but we are also considering not allowing people to
deliver mail to us that appear to come from our domain.  Confusing?
Simply put, should we allow someone from the Internet to deliver to our SMTP
server "From: [email protected]" "To: [email protected]" since all
mail from foxboro.com should come from internal?   What would be the
downsides of blocking someone from the Internet who tries to do that?
And, can we do that in a resource...?  I only think it works for the
destination domain, not the source domain of the email.
Thanks much.
Clayton

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