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Re: [FW-1] VPN vs Firewall - Your Thoughts



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A VPN that's worth its salt should include some thought (and configuration) as to what specific traffic is actually allowed through the tunnel, not to mention where it's coming from.  I find that people tend to be rather easygoing about their VPN setups-- this isn't a wise approach.  VPN tunnels should be very precise and specific, as precise and specific as possible or practical.
 
If your Cisco <-> Cisco VPN doesn't include this kind of forethought, then you are at least in theory asking for trouble from unauthorized parties at the other end of the tunnel.
 
I tend to prefer having the firewall and VPN gateway into a single box, and more to the point, a single product.  It eliminates asymmetric routing issues (topologies where the firewall is bypassed completely) and it eliminates having two different devices involved in traffic handling (topologies where the VPN gateway is either in front of or behind the firewall).
 
When you have two devices involved it just makes a whole lot of things more complicated and makes it twice as likely that you'll encounter any given problem, whether it be a config snafu that destroys connectivity, or a config oversight that opens up a nice little hole into your supposed-to-be-secured network.
 
And if you're stuck with two devices... yuck.  You could put the VPN box inside the firewall and only allow IKE traffic to it, but then you can't consolidate your access control back onto the firewall.  If you put the VPN box outside the firewall, it can't be protected by the firewall.  This may be academic if the VPN box only speaks IPSec, but I don't like the idea of an unprotected gateway into my private LAN.
 
Just one guy's opinion.
-----Original Message-----
From: Barber, Jeff @ CKE [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 10:53 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FW-1] VPN vs Firewall - Your Thoughts

Hey All

I am having some mixed thoughts on the difference between a VPN and a Firewall.
A VPN allows for encrypted traffic to and from 2 or more points. A Firewall protects networks by allowing or denying packets.

If I have a CISCO to CISCO VPN that does NOT go through a Firewall before entering the internal network, am I secure?
Some will argue that VPN devices such as CISCO can act as firewalls by adding ACL's. My stance is that anything entering into the internal network should go thru my CHECKPOINT Firewalls.

Looking for your professional thoughts and opinions.

J. Barber  - ccse,scsa
Information Technology

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