RE: [FW1] RE: Nokia/Check Point/SolutionPaq

["Mark Decker" <mdecker@FW1-NOSPAMrainfinity.com>]

Good to know.  Thanks.  -m

-----Original Message-----
From: Security Engineer [mailto:juanconcepcion@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 19, 2001 7:57 PM
To: Mark Decker
Cc: fw-1-mailinglist@beethoven.us.checkpoint.com;
fw1-wizards@phoneboy.com
Subject: Re: [FW1] RE: Nokia/Check Point/SolutionPaq


Just one small correction.  You can optionally install an additional
quad
card on the IP330 which gives you a total of 7 not a limitation of 3
nics.
Just my .02 cents since I work with them day in and day out :0)
--
Juan Concepcion
Network Security Consultant
juanconcepcion@earthlink.net

On 2001.07.18 14:56 Mark Decker wrote:
>
> Hi Jason,
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jason Costomiris
> >Let's see, each vendor realized that they were much better at selling
> >their own products than the other guy's stuff, so they fixed it.
Yeah,
> >that sounds terrible.  Wake up.  You forgot to mention that Nokia and
> >CP signed a 2-year agreement when the last agreement expired.  As a
> >rule, CP never signs anything longer than one year.
>
> I don't understand the defensive tone of your reply.  It would appear
> you somehow misinterpreted my comments as a slam against Nokia, which
> they are certainly not intended to be.  Nokia makes fine products, and
> is still a partner of CP.  I was merely trying to dispel rumors of a
> "war" between the companies and make a statement of the facts of the
> current relationship.  As I understand it, although Nokia and CP may
> have signed another agreement, the terms are different and the new
> agreement does not provide an exclusive distribution arrangement for
> FW-1/VPN-1 appliances similar to what they had in the past.  I won't
> speculate on the reasons for this change in the relationship, since I
> wasn't at the contract negotiations. ;-)  Regardless of their reasons
> for doing so, CP has now opened up the CP-based appliance market and
> leveled the playing field for other vendors through its OPSEC
appliance
> program.  In my mind, that's a positive thing.  While Nokia is good,
> having a choice is better.
>
> >A lot of competition?  From Compaq?  A Compaq pre-sales engineer
shared
> >with me that a packed-out DL320 (what they sell as the SolutionPaq)
> >does about 90 Mbps in FW1 performance tests.  It only costs about 15%
> less
> >than an IP330, but with the IP330 testing at 130 Mbps is nearly 50%
> >faster than the DL320.  Oh by the way, the DL320 has a 1Ghz P-III to
> >match up against then AMD K6-2/400...
>
> Our internal testing results show the Compaq box does better than you
> describe vs. the IP330.  We found that a base DL320 SolutionPaq has
much
> faster throughput than the base IP330 in identical environments.
(BTW,
> you can put up to 2G of RAM in the SolutionPaq, and up to 6 NICs,
while
> the IP330 is a fixed config with 256MB RAM and 3 NICs.)  With FLOWS
> enabled on the Nokia, the Nokia throughput goes up significantly, but
I
> understand there are still a few drawbacks to using FLOWS (admittedly,
> not my area of expertise, so forgive me if I've overstated the FLOWS
> issue; perhaps someone else can elaborate).  Personally, I'd like to
see
> an independent magazine do an apples-to-apples benchmark test of
> similarly configured DL320 vs IP330, and then see how they fare.  In
any
> case, the vast majority of IP330s serve T3 circuits or smaller, so it
> hardly matters as long as they can both do >45Mbps.  People with an
OC-3
> are likely buying a bigger box anyway.
>
> As far as price goes, the base IP330 lists at $4,950, while the base
> DL320 SolutionPaq lists at $3,249.  I'm no math whiz, but I believe
> that's more than 1/3 less expensive, rather than only 15%.  If buying
> 100 units for all your branch offices, that's a recession-friendly
> savings of over $170,000. :-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Mark L. Decker
> Rainfinity - High Availability for E-Business
>> mdecker@rainfinity.com
>
>
>
>
>
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