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Re: [FW1] Fw: User / client authentication + OWA + xml/dhtml problem ? Inbox not displayed.



Thanks very much Marwan.
Even with HTTPS, OWA can be brute forced, so customer is reluctant to try and would like to use their existing SecurID system to auth users.
OWA 2000 works fine using Netscape 3.0, IE 4.0, and it's only with OWA 2000 + IE5 (which uses XML and DHTML components) that the Inbox does not appear !
Sort of a Microsoft AND Check Point problem I suppose.
Do you know if there's anyway to tell Check Point not to dissect HTTP packets and just leave them as they are ?
Remember there are no drops or rejects, or SYN timeouts.  Strange...
 
Cheers,
 
Tim
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 5:59 PM
Subject: RE: [FW1] Fw: User / client authentication + OWA + xml/dhtml problem ? Inbox not displayed.

I haven't really used user+client authentication, but I am pretty sure that OWA wouldn't be able to fully support that kind of authentication method. You have 2 options you can either use Securemote if you really need authentication at the firewall before exchange, or you can allow OWA only through https which is very secure (which is what I use).

 

Marwan Halabi

Security Engineer

Stockback, LLC

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Holman [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 7:28 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [FW1] Fw: User / client authentication + OWA + xml/dhtml problem ? Inbox not displayed.

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Tim Holman

Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 12:24 PM

Subject: User / client authentication + OWA + xml/dhtml problem ? Inbox not displayed.

 

Platform:

    Firewall    -    2xNokia IP330 IPSO 3.3 Check Point FW-1 4.1 SP 3 running VRRP

    Exchange server    -    Exchange 2000 Server (internal network)

    OWA Server            -    OWA 2000 Server (Outlook Web Access) (DMZ)

 

Topology:

   

Internet

|

|

Firewall---------DMZ (OWA server)

|

|

Internal LAN

Exchange server

 

Problem:

    Internet Explorer 5.0 does not load up OWA properly if user/client authenticaiton is enabled on the firewall.

 

Description:

    Using either IE 5 or Netscape 3.0 and a basic Any Any rule so that anyone on the Internet can access the OWA server on the DMZ, everything works FINE.

    As soon as there is a user auth rule (http) + client auth rule (any service) authenticating access to the DMZ (either FW-1 user password or SecurID), OWA does not load its Inbox, although the rest of the frames load up correctly.  This ONLY happens with IE 5, not Netscape.  Netscape runs OK with this.

    OWA 2000 uses XML and DHTML when accessed with IE 5, which I imagine is the problem.

    However, these are Application layer protocols embedded in HTTP, and the firewall should not even be touching them.

    There are NO security servers, content checkers or anything similar.  Neither are there Proxy servers.

    To summise, OWA with IE 5.0 works OK when NOT using authentication, but as soon as it's turned on, then it fails to load up properly, but at this point, Netscape works OK.

    Looking in the firewall logs, there are NO DROPS.  IE 5.0 uses XML so the logs show lots of .HTC files loading up, and Netscape just uses plain HTTP, so the logs for this just show up the odd HTTP requests here and there.

    Again, there are NO DROPS in the firewall log.  Packets are just disappearing.  SYN defender is set to 60 seconds, and no drops are seen with this either.

    Has anyone come across this problem, or something similar when using user / client auth (implicit client authenticaiton) + XML + DHTML ?

   

Hope someone can help,

 

Tim

 

PS - This is already going to Check Point support as a potential bug, but they will blame Microsoft, Microsoft will blame Check Point and there won't be an official answer for months...  trust me !

 

   



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