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[Date Prev][Date Next][Thread Prev][Thread Next][Date Index][Thread Index] RE: [FW1] Passed CCSA.
I don't understand the individual below who keeps reposting his comments as if to try to alert someone at Check Point regarding my cruel intentions. I say, go ahead and call Check Point directly and stop wasting your efforts on the mailing list. I've heard the bickering more than once, but no more than twice. Don't believe I need a refresher. I've received hundreds of email messages from Network and Security Engineer alike who actually supported my intentions and only a couple of emails sent directly to the mailing list with disagreements. And as far as my exam notes, they were pretty harmless, however I have apologized to Check Point and am not giving them out to anyone. Other than the one port I gave out and the percentage of VPN questions than mentioned one might expect to get on the exam, my entire notes were merely pointers on what you should know going into the exam. I never copied the questions from the exam or from the book. Again, it was merely an overview of what strong points you should have, similar to what Michael Yu has written in his study guide at cramsession.com. As far as devaluing my certification or the exam, I strongly believe I have not done that. We all know in the end Certifications do not compare to real world hands-on experience, so why are you really worried. If an organization is smart enough, they will review an individual's background carefully and not by how many certifications he/she holds. Certifications prove one thing, that you have some of the concepts down and you know some of the book theory on the product. Heck, I would never hire someone with certifications and no experience unless of course I was giving him an entry level position? Now on the other hand, CCIEs and the other highly respectable and credible certifications can't be obtained without real world experience so there are exceptions. Again, I have extended my apologies to Check Point. -------------------------- for all the CP trainers. I could only be so lucky. All of us in the IT industry have varied opinions about the value of certification. I would like to share what I hope is the most valued representation of certifications. 1) A certification means you have desire to grow. It means you strive to be and do more. 2) A certification means that you are qualified to be interviewed regarding the material covered in that certification. That's it. If you agree, I hope each and every one of you will promote those two concepts until all of us in the industry recognize certification as valuable for those two reasons. This is not to say that individuals don't sometimes overstate their capabilities by using cert acronyms or that some individuals might put their certs by their name as if it thusly defined there character somehow. It is only to say that if we all agree that these are the two values of certs and we continue to communicate this throughout our industry, we may someday develop a common recognition of the value of certifications as they apply to our individual and collective successes. ******************************** Now as far as learning the answers to the tests in a CP course, it is the responsibility of the CP instructor to ensure that they have provided students with the tools they need to operate CP Firewall-1 at an administrative or engineer level when the course is comleted. If Check Point tests on these same skills, and they do, then yes you will learn what you need to know for the tests in the course. I personally offer my students testing prep material that "simulates" every question on the tests and 100s that are not on the tests. The questions are not written verbatim, but they do cover the knowledge required by the administrator and engineer roles, which once again is what you are being tested for. I have two other very important points. 1) If you leave a security training course and you cannot implement security, that course failed you and the industry as a whole. Those programs and instructors should be ed out. Education's goal is performance not memorization. 2) If you went to Check Point's web site and enrolled in a course because it was close to you or cheaper, then you deserve what you get. If you do not personally speak to an instructor or training manager before attending a security course in order to ensure you will get your money's worth and to see what they are doing to go beyond the minimum requirements of the ATC, then you have failed before you even began. Scott Schindler OneSecure Senior Manager of Technical Education "Focus on the student's needs and you will have successful training" "Building the best Check Point training in the world" -----Original Message----- From: Carl E. Mankinen [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:24 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [FW1] Passed CCSA. You get the answers verbatim in the class for CCSE??? NOT in the classes that I took. Only a couple times do I remember thinking, "I heard that question in class". But those were for questions like "What ports does Firewall-1 use?" "What does the kernel daemon do?" Those are pretty generic questions that you would normally expect to see on the test. I believe the Certification is for "CheckPoint Systems", hense CCSE. It's not to show that you are an expert in HIDS and NIDS, or that you can setup a PIX or a Gauntlet firewall. It's to show that you can work with a CP firewall. Perhaps it would be better to call it Certified Checkpoint Systems Engineer. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cameron L Palmer" <[email protected]> To: "Tim Holman" <[email protected]> Cc: "Jorge L. Avelar" <[email protected]>; "'Harvey, Jon'" <[email protected]>; "'Bhupinder Shergill'" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, April 28, 2001 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [FW1] Passed CCSA. > > Um. I guess human history is riddled with examples of devalued exams. > Please... > The only thing that or any other multiple guess exam tells is that you > learned it their way and are a Checkpoint certified sales consultant. I > have a CCSE but I found it a stupifying experience. It doesn't require > you to know anything about security or building networks just what they > think is important to sell more firewalls. In fact you get the answers > verbatim in the class. So it is OK to pay $4000 to get the answers but > you can't share information for free. If they want people to think, > which they should, you must given written exams. > > The only way they could be engaging in something that is wrong is by > having someone take the exam for them or taking the notes in with them. > > cameron. > > > > Tim Holman wrote: > > > > Braindumping of this nature is against the terms and conditions set by > > Checkpoint for their exams, breaches of which will result in your > > qualitications being revoked ! > > Be careful - you're devaluing your own certifications by telling other > > people the exam content..... > > > > :) > > > > Tim > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Jorge L. Avelar <[email protected]> > > To: 'Harvey, Jon' <[email protected]>; 'Bhupinder Shergill' > > <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > > Sent: 16 April 2001 14:58 > > Subject: RE: [FW1] Passed CCSA. > > > > > > > > If you decide to take the CCSE exam on version 2000, you will get at least > > > 60% of the questions on VPN. I have exam notes that I drew up and can > > > forward to you both. In my notes, I've listed many of the answers to > > > questions that I received when I took the exam on the first try and failed > > > it by a couple of questions. The second try was a charm. A tidbit from my > > > notes and a question that I got was the following: What port number is > > used > > > by CPMAD? > > > > > > Jorge L. Avelar > > > Sr. Network Engineer > > > Datum, Inc. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Harvey, Jon [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:38 PM > > > To: 'Bhupinder Shergill'; [email protected] > > > Subject: RE: [FW1] Passed CCSA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhupinder, > > > > > > Congrats on passing the test and good luck on the CCSE. I have passed the > > > test for the CCSA last month and am also presently looking for the CCSE > > > preperation, so if you find something, let me know ok. > > > > > > Tnkz > > > Jon > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Bhupinder Shergill [mailto:[email protected]] > > > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 4:05 AM > > > To: [email protected] > > > Subject: [FW1] Passed CCSA. > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > I passed CCSA today... Boson really helped. I am going to take CCSE next > > > week; Any suggestions for CCSE exam prepration ? > > > > > > Thanks all for your help. > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Bhupinder > > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________ > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com > > > > > > > > > > > > ================================================== > > ========================== > > > ==== > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at > > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > > ================================================== > > ========================== > > > ==== > > > > > > > > > ================================================== > > ========================== > > > ==== > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at > > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > > ================================================== > > ========================== > > > ==== > > > > > > > > > ================================================== > > ============================== > > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at > > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > > ================================================== > > ============================== > > > > > > > > > > ============================================================================ ==== > > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at > > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > > ============================================================================ ==== > > > > ============================================================================ ==== > To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at > http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html > ============================================================================ ==== > > ============================================================================ ==== To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html ============================================================================ ==== ================================================================================ To unsubscribe from this mailing list, please see the instructions at http://www.checkpoint.com/services/mailing.html ================================================================================
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