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Re: [FW1] FireWall-1 and Dual CPU machine



PCI is not PCI anymore.

I have 66mhz 64bit Gigabit fiber NICs installed now that connect to Cisco6509's.
Very fast. (but not OC192 fast...hehe)

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Lukas" <[email protected]>
To: "Craig Skelton" <[email protected]>
Cc: "William Pope" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, February 06, 2001 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FW1] FireWall-1 and Dual CPU machine


> 
> THis is precisely what the Nokia folks realized in their devices.  A
> celeron with 64MB is going to do just as well when pusing policy as a Sun
> Ultra60 (can you believe these are being used as firewalls?  Nice graphics
> on your "headless" firewall).
> 
> PCI is PCI is PCI - for the most part at least.  Some implementations
> leave much to be desired (thanks 810).
> 
> However, the SunQFE can ride the 66MHz 64-bit PCI bus if configured
> properly.  That'll provide some improvement over the 33MHz jalopy riding
> the Nokia Intel MB.  I believe the Micron folks implemented a Samauri
> chipset (a pre-AGP concoction) which accomplished the same thing.  On the
> downside, the extremely high markup of the four Intel speedo's with a Sun
> emblem on the Sun QFE is ludicrous.  Looks like they fostered the Nokia
> markup as well.
> 
> I've had a relatively high failure rate on the Luna PCI adapter (see 
> previous threads of failing Luna PCI's with an "E.T." syndrome).  The
> point of the post was that the UltraSPARC can be much faster than the
> Intel SA-110 on the LUNA PCI adapter.  I'm not sure how the "Soft" LUNA is
> licensed.  This only benefits VPN users who were conned into buying SMP
> powerhouses for their firewall device, though.
> 
> -pl
> 
> On Tue, 6 Feb 2001, Craig Skelton wrote:
> 
> > Memory, bus speed, adapter speed, and base processor speed are the biggest
> > factors in FW1 performance.
> > 
> > The Luna VPN card will increase preformance only if you are implemeting a
> > VPN. If you don't plan on using an IKE or IPSEC VPN then it won't do
> > anything for you. (Although they are cool if you do.)
> > 
> > One thing people missed is the bus speed of your machine. This is a big
> > deal. You should examine the bus speed of the machine, and the ability of
> > the ethernet adapters to utilize that top speed. Some docs suggest that
> > gigabit cards will support slightly higher speeds even when run at Fast
> > Ethernet speeds. Stands to reason that the higher the performace capability,
> > the better the performance at nominal speeds. Obviously, if you already own
> > the machine, then you might not get to choose, but a slow bus speed might
> > mean that you are better off upgrading now (or that the second proc won't
> > matter).
> > 
> > For dual cpu info, you should check the doc at:
> > http://www.checkpoint.com/techsupport/documentation/FW-1_VPN-1_performance.h
> > tml
> > "SMP (2-4 CPUs) has the most effect on Resource and VPN policies performance
> > (up to 35-54% performance improvement). Make sure to run multiple instances
> > of security servers (see the VPN-1 Tuning chapter). "
> > 
> > If you run lots of security servers, or have many people viewing logfiles
> > (nt clients being worse than command line warriors) then the dual cpu will
> > really help. Especially if they are not too good at refining their
> > selections. Obviously, the kernel modules are monolithic (most likely due to
> > severe security issues in multi-threaded kernel mods). The security servers
> > and other portions of vpn1/fw1 are not. (pbind etc. to take advantage.) You
> > should run multiple instances to increase preformance. Multiple instances
> > will ensure that the second cpu is truely utilized (at least on solaris.). I
> > doubt there is much need for more than a dual box.
> > 
> > As far as I am aware, there are no specific dual processor tuning points for
> > fw-1 on solaris (if you hear of any, let me know.) You might want to take a
> > look at sunsolve.sun.com for the doc id 1442 (white papers/ tech bulletins).
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
> > 
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Peter Lukas" <[email protected]>
> > To: "William Pope" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: <[email protected]>
> > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 6:42 PM
> > Subject: RE: [FW1] FireWall-1 and Dual CPU machine
> > 
> > 
> > >
> > > I did notice a version of the Luna VPN driver optimized for the dormant
> > > CPU.  Seeing as how a relatively fast UltraSPARC can effectively dust the
> > > StrongARM on the Chrysalis-ITS, it may be worth a looksee for people who
> > > ended up purchasing a multi-CPU system for their firewall...
> > >
> > > -peter
> > >
> > > On Mon, 5 Feb 2001, William Pope wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > I do not think that Checkpoint has released a multithreaded version of
> > > > Firewall-1 yet.  I have had some luck using pbind & renice to force the
> > > > Checkpoint services to the second processor leaving the first for the
> > O/S.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: [email protected]
> > > > [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> > Vincent,
> > > > Mike
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 10:59 AM
> > > > To: 'Damon Starkey '; ''Arie Gilboa' '; ''fw-1 Mailinglis' '
> > > > Subject: RE: [FW1] FireWall-1 and Dual CPU machine
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Checkpoint did release a multi-threaded device driver to accelerate
> > > > encryption and decryption on SMP SPARC/Solaris and Windows NT systems.
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Damon Starkey
> > > > To: 'Arie Gilboa'; 'fw-1 Mailinglis'
> > > > Sent: 2/5/01 10:15 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [FW1] FireWall-1 and Dual CPU machine
> > > >
> > > > I was told no when I went through the Checkpoint Certification.  It
> > > > benefits from a good amount of memory.
> > > >
> > > > Damon Starkey
> > > > Network Administrator
> > > > Digital Access Corporation
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Arie Gilboa [mailto:[email protected]]
> > > > Sent: Monday, February 05, 2001 9:44 AM
> > > > To: 'fw-1 Mailinglis'
> > > > Subject: [FW1] FireWall-1 and Dual CPU machine
> > > >
> > > > Hello!,
> > > > I would like to instal CP-2000 on Dual CPU Solaris machine.
> > > > Does CP-2000 software know to use more than one CPU ?. Is there any
> > > > special configuration which should be done ?.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Arie Gilboa
> > > >
> > > >
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