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RE: [FW1] Opinon Requested - to NAT or not to NAT DMZ Addresses



Yes but I would be careful trying to private-ip the Firewalls external
interface if you want to be able to use VPNs. I have seen this implemented
as well, and it will work, just not with VPN's that terminate at the
firewall (for obvious reasons)

> Generally you'll have one NIC as your external interface and your DMZ
hanging off another. Your external int must have one of your
> public addresses, so how do you assign public addresses from this same
subnet to a different NIC on your FW?

This is where you will need to subnet you address space if its possible. If
thats not possible, purchase more address space. Otherwise youll need to
NAT.

-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Witty [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Monday, November 13, 2000 2:01 PM
To: Ian Campbell
Cc: 'Frank Darden'; 'CryptoTech'; Brian Burns;
[email protected]
Subject: Re: [FW1] Opinon Requested - to NAT or not to NAT DMZ Addresses



Ian,

Actually, you don't have to publically address your outside firewall
interface at all(provided your firewall is not terminating your Internet
circuit.)  If your firewall simply talks to a border router (which is
usually the case), then it's quite easy to set up a privatly IP'd
transport network between the firewall and the router.  Then you can use
all of your public space in the DMZ.  I wouldn't recommend that for all
situations, but it's definitely do-able (I have around 50 firewalls and
most of them are private externally and internal, with public DMZ
segments.)

Just a thought.  Hope it helps!

Jason

>  
>    RE: [FW1] Opinon Requested - to NAT or not to NAT DMZ Addresses
>    Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2000 10:15:12 -0800
>    From: Ian Campbell <[email protected]>
>      To: "'Frank Darden'" <[email protected]>, "'CryptoTech'"
<[email protected]>,
>         Brian Burns <[email protected]>
>     CC: [email protected]
> 
> Just as a logistical issue\question as well:
>  
> Generally you'll have one NIC as your external interface and your DMZ
hanging off another. Your external int must have one of your
> public addresses, so how do you assign public addresses from this same
subnet to a different NIC on your FW?
>  
> Ian
> 
>      -----Original Message-----
>      From: Frank Darden [mailto:[email protected]]
>      Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2000 7:54 AM
>      To: 'CryptoTech'; Brian Burns
>      Cc: [email protected]
>      Subject: RE: [FW1] Opinon Requested - to NAT or not to NAT DMZ
Addresses
>      Importance: High
> 
>      Speed, and capability as well. You need to know (or at least have a
rough idea) how many concurrrent connections
>      will be going through the firewall. NAT can seriously drain the
25,000 default connections because it requires 2x
>      the connections running through the firewall. This ordinarily does
not present a problem on smaller sites, however if
>      you anticipate your site will be hugely popular (dont we all) such as
a large ecommerce site, you might want to
>      consider not natting to the DMZ. There are ways to go beyond 25,000
connections, that are documented at Phoneboy.
>      But then you start having preformance issues as indicated by
CryptoTech. I suppose there are some advantages to
>      natting the DMZ such as flexibility in addressing, and limiting the
ability for you or others to to shoot yourself in the
>      foot, and the #1 reason lack of valid address space. Many times the
situation is one that you have little or no choice to
>      NAT the DMZ. However if you do have the choice, and practice
reasonably good management of the firewall and DMZ,
>      I see no reason to NAT the DMZ. Bear in mind if you do not NAT the
DMZ your antispoofing rules become more
>      critical than ever before.
>       
>       
>      Frank
>       
> 
>           -----Original Message-----
>           From: CryptoTech [mailto:[email protected]]
>           Sent: Saturday, November 11, 2000 9:20 AM
>           To: Brian Burns
>           Cc: [email protected]
>           Subject: Re: [FW1] Opinon Requested - to NAT or not to NAT DMZ
Addresses
> 
>           Speed.  Firewall load.  Latency.  NAT modifies every packet
involved in the rule, and thus add
>           latency.  If you are running 100mb or higher, you probably don't
want to use nat 
> 
>           HTH, 
>           CryptoTech 
> 
>           Brian Burns wrote: 
> 
>             I am doing a redesign of our existing network and have been
asked to use private addressing with
>             NAT. I am not pro/against it - but I have always used valid
addresses on my DMZ servers. So... why
>             would one want to use NAT on your DMZ devices? Comments? Brian


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