[FW1] Use of this mailing list (not inflamatory)

[Scott Schindler <scott@FW1-NOSPAMenstar.com>]

Thank you Rainwall and Stonesoft for your discussion.  I learned a lot.  If
any other vendors would like to discuss their CHECK POINT-related solutions
here.  I am sure many of us would love to hear about them.  Especially,
since this is a Check Point-related discussion forum.  Including all of the
products that work with the firewall: including Nokia, SSH, OSes, hardware,
hacking tools, testing tools, conferences, training, interoperability, and
ANYTHING else that helps the security admin do their job better.

Do not be discouraged by flamers, though the (attached) message was not so
much a flame but a sincere opinion as to what should exist on this mailing
list.  However since this is probably the ONLY Check Point-centric mailing
list that most of us are subscribed to, this is the forum where you will
reach the most people and the greatest benefit can be seen.

This issue has no right or wrong answer until Check Point says, "Do not do
something on this mailing list."  And when they do, we all lose.  When
information is filtered by someone elses interpretation, we never get the
true or whole story.  We wouldn't expect that from the press and we
shouldn't expect that from an open forum.

If no one at all is benefitting by the discussions of vendor communications
then there wouldn't be any responses or questions regarding the
communications.  Since such posts do exist, Check Point administrators are
getting valuable information and that is the exact purpose of this list.

So please be open to communications that may not exactly concern you or your
environment, like the message below that states they already had a solution
and that is why they didn't care.  And IF POSSIBLE please keep things
professional.  I learn so much from this list as I am sure you do.  And
messages like the one I am writing and the the one I am responding to only
take up valuable time that many of us don't have.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Cedric Amand" <mailing-lists@cedric.net>
To: <fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 3:30 PM
Subject: Re[2]: Answer: Re: [FW1] Rainwall-E vs StoneBeat FullCluster


>
> MD> I'm glad StoneSoft has finally posted their rebuttal to my
> comparison
>
> And I'm not. Again, I may be living on another planet, I'm already
> on another continent ;), but I think this is a firewall-1 related
> mailing list, not a marketing tool or a newsgroup.
> It's even RUN by Checkpoint itself, and your self-promotion for both
> of your products shouldn't be here.
>
> Stonesoft didn't really post here, it just reacted. But they had
> no choice, with such a comparison beeing publicly posted, they
> had to answer. I would have preferred thye just answered something
> like what I'm posting here ("we won't enter this game with you")
> but they didn't. Too bad ;) Anyway, the way Stonesoft replied to
> your mail was extremely professional, imho, preferring to refer
> existing documents rather than enter an (even profesionnal and
> nice looking) flamewar.
>
> "Never listens to the technical arguments and counter-arguments
> of someone who has something to sell" is my way of working.
>
> Always prefer comparisons made by third parties, or better, your
> own experience.
>
> All hardware and software vendors have to learn by heart a little
> booklet with the main drawbacks of all the other competing
> solutions, everyone that has worked with many vendors knows that.
>
> Choosing a product is not comparing two booklets full of the
> drawbacks of each solution, it's choosing the one that first
> of all you know well (could easily debug yourself), and then
> matches your needs as much as possible. Choosing the "best
> product" is certainly not the immediate solution to all
> problems as many people seem to believe.
>
> Just my two cents.
>
> I have no intention of buying either Stonesoft or Rainwall as i'm
> more than happy with my current hardware solution ;-).
>
>
>
>
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