Re: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.

["Firewall Admin" <firewall.admin@FW1-NOSPAMbtinternet.com>]

FYI.

I believe SP3 should have load balancing, certainly for VPNs.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott Schindler" <scott@enstar.com>
To: <Mark.Boltz@stonesoft.com>
Cc: <fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.


>
> Great email!  You guys keep making better products and competing with one
> another.  I'll keep selling them and developing courses which emphasize
your
> best-of-breed products and we will all be quite happy.
>
> Our company is already a channel reseller of Stonesoft products.  However
as
> the trainer here I don't get to see those products in action very often.
I
> often hear about the high price and that it is not particularly easy to
set
> up compared to VRRP, which of course lacks many of your features.
>
> Rainwall's popularity however is beginning to resonate in this very
mailing
> list.  I would love to see a side-by-side comparison as I imagine many of
us
> would.  Perhaps Rainwall isn't ready for that yet.  Perhaps in the future
we
> will see just that however.
>
> Until then, good luck to you both and keep the debates coming!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Mark.Boltz@stonesoft.com>
> To: <mdecker@rainfinity.com>
> Cc: "Scott Schindler" <scott@enstar.com>;
> <fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:53 PM
> Subject: RE: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I agree also with some points of Scott's assessment for the Nokia boxes.
> > They
> > are pretty decent for an inexpensive, basic HA product.  However, he was
> > somewhat misleading in his comparison of Stonebeat to Nokia's.
> >
> > I would also disagree with Mark's statement that Stonesoft is the market
> > leader
> > simply because we were first. It might have something to do with the
> > fact that
> > the product works, and has many good features as well. :-)
> >
> > For clarification, Stonesoft offers several different products:
> >
> > 1.  We have our original StoneBeat product, which provides basic HA in
> > either a
> > hot standby or load sharing configuration.
> >
> > 2.  We have StoneBeat FullCluster, which competes most directly with
> > Rainfinity's RAINwall-E product.  FullCluster offers dynamic load
> > balancing
> > (which you cannot do with Nokia's), scalability (up to 16 nodes per
> > cluster)
> > [the same as Rainfinity], a fully customizable test subsystem, and
> > support for
> > Check Point, Gauntlet and Raptor firewalls, and NT, Solaris and Linux
> > OSs.
> >
> > 3.  With the StoneBeat product you also have SecurityCluster
> > (anti-virus, other
> > CVP and eventually IDS software), WebCluster (IIS, iPlanet, Apache),
> > CacheCluster, and DNSCluster.
> >
> > All of those products can be monitored and controlled in one easy-to-use
> > Java-based GUI.  Why cluster just the firewall when you can cluster and
> > load
> > balance your entire mission critical network services?
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------
> > Mark Boltz                                       Stonesoft, Inc.
> > Network Security Specialist           115 Perimeter Center Place
> > mark.boltz@stonesoft.com              South Terraces, Suite 1000
> > Tel:Atlanta, GA 30346
> > Cel:USA
> > Fax:http://www.stonesoft.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Mark Decker" <mdecker@rainfinity.com> on 09/22/2000 03:22:05 PM
> >
> > Please respond to mdecker@rainfinity.com
> >
> > To:   "Scott Schindler" <scott@enstar.com>
> > cc:   fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com (bcc: Mark Boltz/Stone)
> >
> > Subject:  RE: [FW1] Why choose Nokia?  Here's why.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Of software-based HA solutions for FW-1, I'd say the top three include
> > StoneBeat, Rainwall, and Check Point's own HA.  Right now StoneBeat has
> > the
> > largest installed base, simply because they were the first to market.
> > Rainwall is rapidly gaining ground because it is more scalable and less
> > expensive than the others.  If you'd like to review it, you can request
> > a
> > free 30-day license via our website at http://www.rainfinity.com.
> >
> > I don't count Nokia in this group because appliances are a different
> > animal.
> > Nokia competes more with the Cisco PIX than with products like Rainwall.
> > VRRP is just a standard protocol supported by some of their models, not
> > a
> > separate product.  As an HA solution, VRRP is adequate for some
> > purposes,
> > but it can't do dynamic load balancing and does nothing to address
> > scalability.
> >
> > Mark L. Decker
> > Rainfinity
> > mdecker@rainfinity.com
> >> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com
> > [mailto:owner-fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com]On Behalf Of
> > Scott
> > Schindler
> > Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:55 AM
> > To: mdecker@rainfinity.com
> > Cc: fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com
> > Subject: Re: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.
> >
> >
> > Great point Mark, however most companies are not ready to choose a
> > solution
> > not in the top 3, even if it works better or saves them money!
> >
> > I agree however that the lack of load balancing capabilities is a very
> > limiting factor.
> >
> > Is Rainwall, which I have heard a lot about, in or near the top 3?
> > Perhaps
> > I should review it if it is.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Mark Decker" <mdecker@rainfinity.com>
> > To: <fw-1-mailinglist@lists.us.checkpoint.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2000 6:12 PM
> > Subject: RE: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.
> >
> >
> > > Point of correction:
> > >
> > > To be fair, the VRRP-based hot-standby solution offered by Nokia
> > > shouldn't be compared with HA solutions costing $12k or more.  For
> > that
> > > much money, you can get something like Rainwall-E, which offers
> > dynamic
> > > load balancing and performance gains not possible with VRRP.  It would
> > > be more accurate to compare Nokia's HA solution with a basic HA
> > product
> > > like Rainwall-S, which sells for only $5k.
> > >
> > > That said, Nokia has a very convenient package overall.
> > >
> > > Mark L. Decker
> > > Rainfinity
> > > mdecker@rainfinity.com <mailto:mdecker@rainfinity.com>
> > >> > >
> > > Scott Schindler wrote:
> > >
> > > >Built in High availability.  How much is Stonebeat?  Check Point's
> > > solution?  ($12000 - $20000)
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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