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[FW1] [fw1] please!



Please, offend!  I would like to find out more about both products!   I have
worked with both on several occasions and like both for different reasons!
This is a cp list, Lets debate!

You've got several 100/1000 engineers out there listening!  

State your cases!

Thomas Poole


-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Decker [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 5:37 PM
To: Scott Schindler
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: RE: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.



Scott,

I'd love to debate at length why Rainwall is superior to StoneBeat, but
don't want to offend by shamelessly promoting our product on this list.
Suffice it to say, that in my personal opinion, when it comes to
ease-of-installation, performance, scalability, and cost, Rainwall-E beats
the other choices hands-down.  I think these factors explain the surge in
popularity of Rainwall.  We're always ready to be compared side-by-side with
StoneBeat.

However, Mark Boltz and I are each inevitably biased toward the solution
that feeds our respective families.  If folks are interested in this topic,
may I suggest a new SB vs. RW thread, where users who've looked at both can
share their experiences?  Mark and I can jump in where appropriate to
respond to questions or provide technical information.

Mark L. Decker
Rainfinity
[email protected] Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Scott
Schindler
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 1:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.


Great email!  You guys keep making better products and competing with one
another.  I'll keep selling them and developing courses which emphasize your
best-of-breed products and we will all be quite happy.

Our company is already a channel reseller of Stonesoft products.  However as
the trainer here I don't get to see those products in action very often.  I
often hear about the high price and that it is not particularly easy to set
up compared to VRRP, which of course lacks many of your features.

Rainwall's popularity however is beginning to resonate in this very mailing
list.  I would love to see a side-by-side comparison as I imagine many of us
would.  Perhaps Rainwall isn't ready for that yet.  Perhaps in the future we
will see just that however.

Until then, good luck to you both and keep the debates coming!

----- Original Message -----
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Cc: "Scott Schindler" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 2:53 PM
Subject: RE: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.


>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I agree also with some points of Scott's assessment for the Nokia boxes.
> They
> are pretty decent for an inexpensive, basic HA product.  However, he was
> somewhat misleading in his comparison of Stonebeat to Nokia's.
>
> I would also disagree with Mark's statement that Stonesoft is the market
> leader
> simply because we were first. It might have something to do with the
> fact that
> the product works, and has many good features as well. :-)
>
> For clarification, Stonesoft offers several different products:
>
> 1.  We have our original StoneBeat product, which provides basic HA in
> either a
> hot standby or load sharing configuration.
>
> 2.  We have StoneBeat FullCluster, which competes most directly with
> Rainfinity's RAINwall-E product.  FullCluster offers dynamic load
> balancing
> (which you cannot do with Nokia's), scalability (up to 16 nodes per
> cluster)
> [the same as Rainfinity], a fully customizable test subsystem, and
> support for
> Check Point, Gauntlet and Raptor firewalls, and NT, Solaris and Linux
> OSs.
>
> 3.  With the StoneBeat product you also have SecurityCluster
> (anti-virus, other
> CVP and eventually IDS software), WebCluster (IIS, iPlanet, Apache),
> CacheCluster, and DNSCluster.
>
> All of those products can be monitored and controlled in one easy-to-use
> Java-based GUI.  Why cluster just the firewall when you can cluster and
> load
> balance your entire mission critical network services?
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark Boltz                                       Stonesoft, Inc.
> Network Security Specialist           115 Perimeter Center Place
> [email protected]              South Terraces, Suite 1000
> Tel:Atlanta, GA 30346
> Cel:USA
> Fax:http://www.stonesoft.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Mark Decker" <[email protected]> on 09/22/2000 03:22:05 PM
>
> Please respond to [email protected]
>
> To:   "Scott Schindler" <[email protected]>
> cc:   [email protected] (bcc: Mark Boltz/Stone)
>
> Subject:  RE: [FW1] Why choose Nokia?  Here's why.
>
>
>
>
> Of software-based HA solutions for FW-1, I'd say the top three include
> StoneBeat, Rainwall, and Check Point's own HA.  Right now StoneBeat has
> the
> largest installed base, simply because they were the first to market.
> Rainwall is rapidly gaining ground because it is more scalable and less
> expensive than the others.  If you'd like to review it, you can request
> a
> free 30-day license via our website at http://www.rainfinity.com.
>
> I don't count Nokia in this group because appliances are a different
> animal.
> Nokia competes more with the Cisco PIX than with products like Rainwall.
> VRRP is just a standard protocol supported by some of their models, not
> a
> separate product.  As an HA solution, VRRP is adequate for some
> purposes,
> but it can't do dynamic load balancing and does nothing to address
> scalability.
>
> Mark L. Decker
> Rainfinity
> [email protected]
>>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of
> Scott
> Schindler
> Sent: Friday, September 22, 2000 10:55 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Cc: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [FW1] Why choose Nokia? Here's why.
>
>
> Great point Mark, however most companies are not ready to choose a
> solution
> not in the top 3, even if it works better or saves them money!
>
> I agree however that the lack of load balancing capabilities is a very
> limiting factor.
>
> Is Rainwall, which I have heard a lot about, in or near the top 3?
> Perhaps
> I should review it if it is.
>




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